The Next Bench Story

Hands On: New Envy 15, 17 – And A New Look

by GizmoGladstone ‎11-15-2011 09:01 PM - edited ‎12-08-2011 06:50 PM

The last generation of the ENVY laptop line was a mash-up of metal-tooled design. Dotted aluminum lids and meaty machines, they packed punches and earned the awards to back it up (including WIRED’s Computer of the Year in 2010). So how do you follow up on that? Change up the design and try to come up with some even cooler tweaks, of course.

I caught up with Cameron Duncan, Product Manager for HP ENVY laptops, and we chatted for a bit about what’s new.

 

 

Alright, Cameron spoke his piece. Now’s it’s MY turn. That was my queue to raid the labs, test out the newest 15 and 17-inch models and share some of my thoughts with you. And since a big part of this story is about how the new ENVYs look, let’s stare at these guys a little closer, shall we?

 

This is gonna sound a little odd, but these ENVYs get me thinking of how people in the 60s thought the future would look: Squared-up-but-subtle designs, knobs, buttons, running lights and a two-toned color scheme. Eying the machines while closed, I’m reminded of the sleek, black lid you’d spot on the Envy 14 Beats Edition laptop. The only thing missing: That black-and-red “B” on the inside. (Don’t worry, it’s still in there, I’ll get to that in a minute.)

 

But it’s when you lift the lid you really notice the design differences. Take this for what it’s worth considering who this is coming from – a guy that works at HP – but I dig it. In fact, I tagged along for a recent press tour and the feedback I got from some folks is that the inside layout is what caught their eyes as well. (I won’t bother name-dropping here, but I will scope out the major blogs / outlets and update this story later with some links.)

 

The keyboard is slightly recessed with a red running light around its edges. The backlit keyboard uses a proximity sensor to know when to turn on or off. And when you do drop your digits down on the keys, the cut-out keys have a good tactile response. The keys are also for the most part pretty well-spaced.

 

 

Looking straight ahead, there’s a flush-glass panel capable with a native resolution of 1920 by 1080. To support that screen, the Envy 15 has one full DisplayPort and HDMI output (The 17 jams in two full DisplayPorts and an HDMI). So you get some fairly neat multi-screen support here. During demos we rigged up an ENVY 17 across three displays to play Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It can be done!

 

USE-envy15.jpg

Beyond the rest of the eye-candy, the one thing my eyes kept darting back to had to be that big, brushed metal analog dial parked along the right side of the machine to precisely control the volume. It’s funny, really. I never really thought about it, but I REALLY miss analog dials. They are big metal testaments to the early days of electronics. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not looking for a steampunk PC (yet), but it makes this case stand out. And, when you press that signature “B” in the center of the shuttle jog wheel, it calls up the Beats audio control panel that gives you various presets and more fine-tuning over your music than you get with your standard-issue sound management panel in Windows. These laptops also have integrated HP Wireless Audio support. Meaning: if you have the receiver, you can directly pipe music from the laptop to external speakers wirelessly (its handy if you want to pipe your music through a home theater, for example).

 

(In case I didn't yammer enough about the newest ENVY line's features, go to hp.com/go/envy for even more info.)

 

To give you a little performance perspective, I ran the prototype 15 and 17 machines I was able to get my hands on through a couple quick tests. Here’s what happened:

 

ENVY 15 TEST MACHINE

CPU: Intel Core i7–2860QM at 2.5GHz
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 750GB 7200rpm HDD
Display: 15.6-inch screen w/ 1920 by 1080 native resolution
Video:  [A new AMD graphics processor I can’t tell you yet], 1 HDMI, 1 DisplayPort
Audio: 1 headphone-out, 1 mic-in jack; Beats audio shuttle jog dial
Interesting I/O: USB 3.0 ports!

 

envy15-wei.jpg

 

NOTE: I believe the reason for the "5.9" graphics score listed above is one of three things: It was reading the Integrated chip on the mobo; I was using not-final laptops for my initial tests; Or both. :smileywink: I WILL be getting more hands-on time with final consumer units soon and when I do, I'll be posting a separate story. Several. Count on it!

 

 

Boot to Windows 7: 50 seconds
System Shutdown: 9 Seconds
System sleep:  4 seconds
System wake-up: 2 seconds

 

Quick Gaming Tests:
Just Cause 2: “Dark Sunrise” Test
1920 x 1080,  settings at high – to – ultra:14.72 fps
1600 x 900, settings at medium to high:28.79 fps

 

Resident Evil 5 “Fixed” Test
1920 x 1080, settings at high – to – ultra: 25.2 fps
1600 x 900, settings at medium to high:58.5 fps

 

Total War: Shogun 2
720p Balanced, DirectX 11 Benchmark: 15.93 fps

Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War II – Retribution
1920 x 1080,  settings at high – to – ultra: 31.65 fps
1600 x 900, settings at medium to high:41.9 fps

 

 

While these laptops have Integrated Intel graphics for when you want to save power, AMD graphics processors pick up the pace when you start playing games. (Basically, you tell the switchable graphics which apps you should throttle up the graphics for and when.) Jacking up the graphics a little further on the ENVY 17 with an even more powerful mystery Radeon processor, it started to cruise in some tests….

 

ENVY 17 TEST MACHINE

CPU: Intel Core i7–2670QM at 2.2GHz
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 320GB 7200rpm HDD
Display: 17-inch screen w/ 1920 by 1080 native resolution
Video:  [A new AMD graphics processor I can’t tell you yet], 1 HDMI, 2 DisplayPorts
Audio: 1 headphone-out, 1 mic-in jack; Beats audio shuttle jog dial
Interesting I/O: I like the two side-mounted USB 3.0 ports!

envy17-wei.jpg

 

Boot to Windows 7: 42 seconds
System Shutdown: 10 Seconds
System sleep: 2 seconds
System wake-up:1 second

 

Quick Gaming Tests:
Just Cause 2: “Dark Sunrise” Test
1920 x 1080,  settings at high – to – ultra: 27.1 fps
1600 x 900, settings at medium to high:42.2 fps

 

Resident Evil 5 “Fixed” Test
1920 x 1080,  settings at high – to – ultra 36.3 fps
1600 x 900, settings at medium to high:78.1 fps

 

Total War: Shogun 2
720p Balanced, DirectX 11 Benchmark: 33.6 fps

 

Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War II – Retribution
1920 x 1080, settings at high – to – ultra 35.06 fps
1600 x 900, settings at medium to high:53.87 fps

 

Hang on, I’m not done quite yet. A couple other quick thoughts about the machine that I just had to throw out there:

There’s the multi-touch clickpad for mousing around. Touch pads are always a matter of personal preference. Me? I always prefer separate physical buttons, but I’m a crank. Also, this is a minor point for most but if you find yourself using the arrow keys often, the up and down arrows are smooshed together. Oh, yeah, and my last thought: I want more knobs on laptops now! I want to feel like a mad scientist making adjustments on the fly!

 

Overall, you’re getting some solid performance from a pair of laptops that start at $1099 (for the ENVY 15) and $1249 (for the 17-inchers), launching December 7. Got some questions for me about these guys? I’m here for you!

 

Also, for your viewing pleasure, more videos about these lovely new lappys:

Envy 15:  http://youtu.be/ExT9M-7pRzw

Envy 17:  http://youtu.be/tpNz9o9m7fY

Envy Design:  http://youtu.be/cgcq2tO3Lo4

 

 

 

Darren Gladstone

Darren Gladstone (@Gizmogladstone) TNB's Blogger-in-Chief geeks out over games, gadgets and hot laptops.

 



Comments
by tkejlboom on ‎11-16-2011 02:12 PM

Did they take the optical drive back out? Is it at least an option? Alternatively, can I at least turn it off in the BIOS? What about AHCI configuration in the BIOS? I love my original 15" Envy. I love that their is no optical drive, but I'm not a fan of the BIOS. EFI?

by GizmoGladstone on ‎11-17-2011 10:51 AM

Hey there, I wanted to let you know first that the optical drive is in there. Slot-loading. I had to give the ENVY back before I could fiddle a bunch with the BIOS, but I'm asking for a test unit  -- and I did pose your question to some people internally here. When I get more word on that I'll let you know.

by Rubenstein on ‎12-08-2011 07:53 AM

Can you update the graphics card specs by now?

by GizmoGladstone on ‎12-08-2011 07:55 AM

Hey Rubenstein

 

I can --- and plan on doing it today. 

 

BTW, I am working on all the answers to your questions in the Holiday story that you posted earlier. As soon as I get the skinny from the product managers, I'll update both the stories.

 

THANKS(!) for asking!

by Rubenstein on ‎12-08-2011 07:57 AM

wow thanks. I was looking for those answers for a long time and spent 2h on the phone with HP yesterday, with little success. I should have tried to contact you earlier :smileywink:

by GizmoGladstone on ‎12-08-2011 08:00 AM

Hey, you're actually helping me! 

 

I think I got a couple of these questions already handled, some not-so-sure. I just wanna doublecheck beforehand -- don't wanna give ya wrong info.

 

BUT yeah, you should always come here first rather than talk to live human being. You should know better! ;p

 

(I'm here to help)

by Rubenstein on ‎12-08-2011 12:55 PM

hey, do you have any news already?

by Rubenstein on ‎12-08-2011 03:27 PM

looks like the update won't come today no more, maybe tomorrow. I am looking foreward to it, as I already ordered the Envy 15 and I would like to know what I bought :smileywink:

by GizmoGladstone on ‎12-08-2011 04:50 PM

HAH! (sorry -- meetingmania today)

 

On the bright side, I do have the skinny for you now. I'm putting these answers in the other story where you originally asked the questions as well...

 

Sooooo.....

 

1) The panel used in the Envy 15 is IPS

2) the graphics should be the AMD 7690XT....that's all I've heard for the time being on that.

3) They come with Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 Wireless (3x3)
4) The SSDs are from the Intel 320 Series

5) To clarify, only the 17-incher has a Blu-Ray drive. The 15-incher has DVD

 

Better late than never, right? ;p

 

Hope that helps, Rubenstein!

by Rubenstein on ‎12-08-2011 06:13 PM

Btw, if you could update this page as well, that would be nice :smileyhappy:

Still says Video:  [A new AMD graphics processor I can’t tell you yet]

A lot of people are wondering why the Envy 15 scores lower in the benchmarks when both Laptops have the same GPU...

by GizmoGladstone on ‎12-08-2011 06:52 PM

I know, I know....I want to update it, but I'm waiting to hear back from someone with one lingering question. THEN, I'll update the story with the proper graphics card info. Oh, yeah, and I added a little clarity to why the graphics score seems a little off on the ENVY 15....

 

"NOTE: I believe the reason for the "5.9" graphics score listed above is one of three things: It was reading the Integrated chip on the mobo; I was using not-final laptops for my initial tests; Or both. :smileywink: I WILL be getting more hands-on time with final consumer units soon and when I do, I'll be posting a separate story. Several. Count on it!"

by Rubenstein on ‎12-08-2011 10:03 PM

:smileyvery-happy: I am a real pain in the ass, ain't I :smileyvery-happy:

Thx btw :smileywink:

by stevester911 on ‎12-10-2011 06:31 PM

So the AMD m7690xt... are the rumours true that this is just a rebadged m6XXX series card? Any changes?

by stevester911 on ‎12-10-2011 08:32 PM

@GizmoGladstone lots of confusion on this in the forums (http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/625151-now-available-updated-envy-15-envy-17-envy-17-3d-... mind clarifying?

by GizmoGladstone on ‎12-11-2011 12:22 AM

Hey Stevester:  I already have Questions in with the product team. When I hear more, I'll let you know. Promise!

 

-Darren

 

(Currently travelling and can't respond to your forum link ATM, but thanks for letting me know!)

by stevester911 on ‎12-13-2011 06:00 PM

So now I'm really confused, two official hp sites - two different stories. Have a look for yourself:

 

http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c03092357.pdf

 

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/au/en/ho/WF06a/321957-321957-3329744-3995710-3995710-5186791.html

 

One says its the 7670 the other says its the 7690. And then to add to it you say its the 7690. What exactly did I buy? :smileyhappy:

 

by GizmoGladstone ‎12-13-2011 07:02 PM - edited ‎12-13-2011 07:02 PM

Hey Stevester,

 

Just so you know, I've been hounding some people for the answers I expect to have a a proper response -- and maybe a whole other blog post out of this ;p -- tomorrow.

 

(I guess with the holidays it's a little harder than usual to track down the right people. But I'm getting the straight scoop -- from people at AMD!)

by rickdarone on ‎03-05-2012 07:27 PM

I have been given the green light to purchase a laptop for my employer, and this HP Envy 15 is top on my list. However, I have read mixed reviews. I am curious if HP has addressed the screen color problem (Red's are oranges). Some reviews state that the trackpad isn't very good with gestures. Apparently gestures are choppy in some cases. Is this a hardware or software issue? If it is software, is HP working on an update? Also, can I get webOS installed on the Envy? (I'm not joking) :smileywink:


Do you know if there is an Envy community? Maybe a blog or some kind of website?

 

Sorry for all the questions. This just seems like the place to get some answers.

by GizmoGladstone on ‎03-06-2012 03:55 PM

hey rickdarone:

first, nice(!) that your boss is on-board. Also, no worries - questions always welcome!

I know that we've had people looking into the color question....and I'm going to ask around about the imagepad. 

as for what's happening with webOS, you should check in over at precentral and, of course, the webOS / palm blog. http://blog.palm.com/

(I'd love to see that, myself. With webOS going open source.....who knows what's possible from the community!)

when I get more to share, I will update the blog...

by GizmoGladstone on ‎03-08-2012 09:24 AM

Hi all,

Questions have been out there about the IPS screen on the ENVY 15. I just got an official update and wanted to share it with you. Here is the latest:

 

“HP understands that some customers have expressed concern regarding the appearance of the color red in the ENVY 15 full High Definition (HD) panel, and we wanted to reassure our customers that this panel is functioning properly.

 

HP ENVY Series notebooks use optional premium LED-backlit display panels that have a higher color gamut (range of viewable colors), brightness and viewing angles than many display panels.  This means that some colors may appear differently than they do on other displays.

 

We understand that customers may have their own preferences on color settings, so in response to customer feedback, in the coming weeks we expect to offer an optional software utility that customers can download if they would like to adjust their default color settings to suit their needs.

 

For customers who need an even higher color gamut and color tuning for professional grade applications for example, certain HP notebook models and standalone displays offer DreamColor technology.”

 

As always, when I hear more, I’ll update you.

 

-Darren

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